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5thBatt

1910 ENFIELD MkIII NZ issue

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5thBatt

Well i finally got a NZ MkIII in .303 to go with one of my 1910 NZ P1907s, all ready have one in .22 so suppose i need to find another :)

 

 

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4thGordons

Super nice example as always!

Congrats.

Decent (affordable) examples appear to have been thin on the ground in my neighbourhood over the last 6 months.

Chris

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trajan

Very nice set up! Is it a shooter as well? And those bayonets are - choice specimens!

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5thBatt

Other than a renumbered bolt & a unreadable forend s/n she is original matching numbers with a good bore, i will be shooting it after a check over 

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17107BM
15 hours ago, 5thBatt said:

Other than a renumbered bolt & a unreadable forend s/n she is original matching numbers with a good bore, i will be shooting it after a check over 

 

May I freely admit to a tinge of jealousy :) Enjoy Sir , which I'm sure you will!!

 

Cheers Gary.

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5thBatt

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free1954

nice.

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4thGordons

5thBatt,

Did NZ use any MkI (MkI*** etc) ShtLEs? If so that would look like a good partner for your remaining lonely hookie.

I have a NZ marked MLE and Martini Enf. but don't recall seeing ShtLE MkI with NZ marks.

Chris

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5thBatt
4 hours ago, 4thGordons said:

5thBatt,

Did NZ use any MkI (MkI*** etc) ShtLEs? If so that would look like a good partner for your remaining lonely hookie.

I have a NZ marked MLE and Martini Enf. but don't recall seeing ShtLE MkI with NZ marks.

Chris

Yep, plenty of NZ marked Mk1s & P1903s in NZ, the only markings on the P1903s is the number on the cross guard, just like the early P1907s20170506_152812.jpg.e96e3d74fab5edbc808b07b21f169c59.jpg20170506_153001.jpg.bdf911caa4b3459ac6c86707464d65cf.jpg20170506_152708.jpg.6d41cfc4b69b3296eb6c6f7391b49ade.jpg

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shippingsteel

A beautiful collection of items (of course) and also very interesting to see all the accessories displayed. Well done.! :thumbsup:

Seeing those hookies attached makes me think it must have been a pain shooting over the parapet with bayonets fixed.! 

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shippingsteel

I thought I would add these photos here for reference. In case someone wants to see what a NZ marked bayonet looks like.!

These N^Z stamped P1907's are quite scarce and this one I found came with its original (very dark) brown leather scabbard.

There's a batch of 1918 dated bayonets that are marked like this. It's believed they came back with troops at the end of the war.

Before departing England they handed in all their battle-worn weapons and were subsequently reissued with brand new gear.

That is why virtually all the wartime SMLE rifles found in New Zealand are 1918 dated. The ones they used stayed in England.

 

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MikB
On 12/8/2017 at 02:53, 5thBatt said:

Other than a renumbered bolt & a unreadable forend s/n she is original matching numbers with a good bore, i will be shooting it after a check over 

 

I'm thinking it'll be regulated for Mk.VI ammunition. Magazine looks that way. IIRC there'll be 'HV' stamped on the Knox-form or receiver ring if it's been converted for Mk.VII.

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5thBatt
5 hours ago, MikB said:

 

I'm thinking it'll be regulated for Mk.VI ammunition. Magazine looks that way. IIRC there'll be 'HV' stamped on the Knox-form or receiver ring if it's been converted for Mk.VII.

MikB, yes it is still sighted for MkVI but the Mag is a type 4 & not a type 2, the .22 trainer (bottom one in photo) does have a type 2 mag with .22 stamped on it LHS.

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MikB
12 hours ago, 5thBatt said:

MikB, yes it is still sighted for MkVI but the Mag is a type 4 & not a type 2, the .22 trainer (bottom one in photo) does have a type 2 mag with .22 stamped on it LHS.

 

Ah, yes - sorry, I was looking at the wrong pic.

 

Can you source Mk.VI, will you load to reproduce the trajectory, or just use available 303 and live with any mismatch ?

I shot a Mk.III* for about 20 years. Nominally an Enfield but with non-matching bits, it had a windage-adjustable rearsight. Trajectory puzzled me for years as to why I was setting it to around 500 yards to get in the black at 600. Never did twig till after I sold it... :D

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4thGordons
6 hours ago, MikB said:

 

Ah, yes - sorry, I was looking at the wrong pic.

 

Can you source Mk.VI, will you load to reproduce the trajectory, or just use available 303 and live with any mismatch ?

I shot a Mk.III* for about 20 years. Nominally an Enfield but with non-matching bits, it had a windage-adjustable rearsight. Trajectory puzzled me for years as to why I was setting it to around 500 yards to get in the black at 600. Never did twig till after I sold it... :D

If it was a MkIII* (ie post 1915)  it would have been made  for MkVII originally wouldn't it?

I have a couple of rifles that are nominally still set for MkVI (ie show no markings) and I have to say any mismatch in sighting/trajectory is completely obscured by my [lack of] skills as a marksman! :wacko:

Chris

 

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MikB
2 hours ago, 4thGordons said:

If it was a MkIII* (ie post 1915)  it would have been made  for MkVII originally wouldn't it?

I have a couple of rifles that are nominally still set for MkVI (ie show no markings) and I have to say any mismatch in sighting/trajectory is completely obscured by my [lack of] skills as a marksman! :wacko:

Chris

 

 

Yeah, but it had a windage-adjustable rearsight, and that must've come from and earlier SMLE mark, dontcha think?

 

I've not been a top-class competitive rifleman any time recently, but when I shot my Mk.III* at 600 for the first time, the butt-markers kept waving for a miss, then leaping in the air pointing their paddles up at the top of the board - until I dropped the sights to around 500. For a long time, I just thought it was 'cos I had a casually-assembled bitsa. Which I probably did, but I now think there was a sight mismatch too. Still, it was good enough to shred a fag-packet with 10 rounds offhand at 100... :D 

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4thGordons
1 hour ago, MikB said:

 

Yeah, but it had a windage-adjustable rearsight, and that must've come from and earlier SMLE mark, dontcha think?

Maybe, but these seem to have been refitted on quite a few in the 30s and its easier to change the sight leaf than the barrel! I am not certain, but I was under the impression it was the curve of the sight base (ie the amount that the sight is raised by moving the slider) that was modified to reflect the new round,  not the markings on the leaf.....now I will have to go and look!

 

 

1 hour ago, MikB said:

Still, it was good enough to shred a fag-packet with 10 rounds offhand at 100... :D 

which is of course all that matters!

Chris

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5thBatt

The graduations on the sight leaf did not change, as 4th said it was the sight bed that was altered

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5thBatt

The differences between MkVI & MkVII sights, first up, no difference in graduations.

 

 

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Second, different height in sight beds.

 

 

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5thBatt

Thirdly, due to the reduced height, the head of the spring retaining screw is left proud of the sight bed.

 

 

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5thBatt

So to deal with the screw head a groove was cut in the bottom of the slider to clear it.

 

 

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MikB

Well, thanks for that! I can remember that my slider had the groove, but not whether the screw protruded. I guess it's still possible that my Mk.III* bitsa had the earlier sight base - it had a new barrel when I bought it, but the rest could have been put together from a slew of miscellaneous parts.

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Dave G

Well done 5thBatt. An excellent and most useful comparison. 

 

Thanks,

 

Dave

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