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Mark Hone

As I have mentioned elsewhere, a team of pupils and I have embarked on an ambitious project to produce a Great War Virtual War Memorial For Bury, Lancashire. This is being developed partly as a contribution to the impending relocation and revamping of the Lancashire Fusiliers' Museum from its present site to a new home in the centre of Bury. After years of hemming and hawing, and debating whether to construct a site purely for old boys of our school, I have decided that we now have the capability to go the whole hog and construct a full Bury memorial, with potentially over 3,000 entries. The main job is combining the individual obituaries published by the 'Bury Times' newspaper, usually with photographs, with information from the CWGC and SDGW databases. However, I am of course interested in any additional biographical data we can collect on these men. I am beginning the project with 1916, partly because this is one of the years for which the BT published a 'Memorial Book', collecting together edited versions of all the obituaries and also because of the forthcoming 90th anniversaries of the battles of that year.

As I relate elsewhere we have already started to encounter a few complete 'men of mystery' of whom no trace can be found on CWGC, SDGW or Medal Index Cards. Nevertheless work is going ahead steadily. Any Pal who might have information which could be of assistance is invited to contact me via the forum.

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Andrew Hesketh

Mark,

Good luck with this venture. If any of your mystery men may have a Sherwood Foresters connection then I would always being willing to take a look.

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Old Chap

Mark,

Excellent project. If any of your men have a Bolton connection and you would like me to check the Bolton papers drop me a line. Same for any men who may have enlisted in the Liverpool Pals.

Good luck,

Bill

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John_Hartley

Mark

You know my areas of interest - you only need to shout.

John

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Mark Hone

Thanks for the replies. I shall call on help as needed!

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bernardmcilwaine

mark,the manchester evening news carry small casualty lists for other areas,i will go through the pages i have and post the names of any bury lads,bernard

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Mark Hone

Bill,

On the Bolton front, could you possibly have a look for Bury Grammar School old boy, Rifleman W.D. (Dennis) Lauria, 8th King's Royal Rifle Corps, who was killed in the German attack on Hooge on 30th July 1915? He is commemorated on the Menin Gate. He was from the Old Vicarage, Ainsworth Village, but appears to have had no Bury Times obituary and we have no photo of him. I was wondering if it might have appeared in a paper 'across the border' in Bolton.

Thanks,

Mark

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Old Chap

Mark,

No problem. I'm off work next thursday so i'll pop into the archives and let you know.

Regards,

Bill

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Old Chap

Mark,

I called in to the Bolton Library to check out your mans details. Unfortunately the archives was closed due to a stock take. Leave the query with me and i promise to see if there is any information or a photograph. It will be two or three weeks before i have anytime to return to the archives.

Regards,

Bill

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peteg

Bernard,

If you come across any mentions of Radcliffe (Lancs) soldiers in the casualty lists during your MEN searches could you please let me know. In particular A.Houghton, J. Houghton, H.Houghton and J.P Hough. Don't know what Regiments (apart from H.Houghton) but they all appear on the cenotaph in Radcliffe.

Regards,

Pete

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Mark Hone

There are several Houghtons in the 1916 volume, including Harry Houghton of LF who died of fever in Egypt. However he came from Elton in Bury, not Radcliffe. We haven't done that page of the Memorial Book in detail yet, but on a quick scan I can't find him on CWGC for 1916. Another mystery man?

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peteg

Mark

CWGC show an Albert Houghton from Radcliffe. Pte 6th Scots Fusiliers (10860)

Died 17/5/1916, age 20. There are several other A & J Houghtons from local Regiments but with no "additional information" given.

Pete

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bernardmcilwaine

peter,i have this on sgt houghton from the regimental medal roll,not the N/A one

disembarked 19-1-15

died of wounds 4-3-15

theres a pte 22893 alfred houghton and a pte john houghton 29376,both killed,john with the 8th batt and alfred with the 2nd batt,KORL

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

mark,got about 30 names for you,some are listed as wounded,dont know if they were killed later,ime sure there will be more info about them all on the cwgc,this is from the MEN.

pte john hook

19th lancs fus

age 21

harwood rd,tottington

died in hospital of wounds

No 17769

pte edwin parker

11582

13th kings liverpool

43 myrtle st,bury

believed killed 14th july

sgt fred turner

11689

19th manchesters

age 24

4A wash lane,bury [barnbrook]

an officer wrote and said he was missing,he later wrote that sgt turner had been killed

pte h.nuttall

lancs fus

60 east st,bury

reported missing,now assumed killed

L/cpl joseph howarth

south lancs

22trinity st,bury

killed

wounded twice before

pte flintoft

28th field amb,RAMC

33909

age 19

13 martin st,bury

cpl richard whitehead

9960

18th manchesters

age 25

bolton rd,bury

worked for the co-op in manchester

more to come

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

a few more

pte thomas shaw

11666

19th manchesters

age 25

18 rose bank,greenmount

old boy bury grammar

draughtsman believed killed 23rd july

L/cpl frank burke

KORL

86 paradise st,bury

wounded

driver b or h hughes

RFA

11 east st,bury,wounded

cpl frank catterall

royal fus

100 walmersley rd,bury,wounded

pte david queen

26455

18th manchesters

104 bury rd,tottington

killed 9th july

pte william benson

18592

1st grenadier guards

age 25

parents william+elizabeth

ollyant st,bury

worked in the clerical dept of lancs+yorks railway co,heywood

gnr william dennerly

RFA

lived castleton,mother lived at 8 terrtera st,bury

died of wounds

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

pte h? ingham

lancs fus [T]

east st ,bury

missing since june

sgt samuel lomax

1st lancs fus

bury

1916

killed on 1st july

pte fred hopkinson

26148

20th manchesters

age 25

38 scholes st,elton,bury

window cleaner

he has 2 brothers servimg in the army

pte thomas hubbard

8189

17th manchesters

6 foundry st,bury

age 24

has died of wounds on 11th july

he was a clerk in the offices of the calico printers assoc in manchester

L/sgt hubert dawson

16th manchesters

A,coy,II platoon

age 26

156 lark hill,bury

landed in france 8-11-15

missing,now assumed killed on 23-4-17

1914-15 star,war+victory medal

this is not from the papers mark

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

mark,

pte chadwick,farraday baron,No 21221

age 18

1st batt,lancs fus

listed as DIED.

son of george [railway worker]and alice baron

born,bury

pte harry chequer

age 20

201994

born bury

lived in heywood

son of john paper mill worker and ann cotton weaver

lancs fusiliers

lived at 74 wash lane,bury

his grandfather ambrose and his brother samuel came from cambridgeshire and married local bury girls.his grandfather lived at 32 tile st,bury

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

mark,is this man on your memorial.

Lt roland,charles lowe

8th kings liverpool

age 28

killed 18-8-18

member of N.U.T

born stoke

teacher at bury municipal secondary school

bernard

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Mark Hone

I'll look for these, Bernard. Some I already know about as they are Bury Grammar School men without it actually saying so in your MEN obits. Remember the Bury War Memorial does not actually exist , we are constructing it from the Bury Times/CWGC/SDGW etc records. We are at the data collection stage at the moment, so still working through the Bury Memorial Books sorting out who is who. For 1917+ there is no Memorial Book so we are going to have to trawl through the actual newspapers themselves. We've only done that for a few weeks in 1917 so far. I know Hubert Dawson is there as he was a BGS man.

For a start Dennerley , Flintoft, Hopkinson, Howarth, Hubbard, Queen,Shaw, Turner and Whitehead are in the 1916 volume and we have photos of them. H. Ingham is there but not sure that he is the same man-this one is a BGS old boy killed in September 1916. In a few weeks I should be able to give you good definition reproductions of these from scans.

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bernardmcilwaine

some more mark.

L/cpl john,william gilbert

200852

2/5th lancs fus

80 market st,tottington

son of james and elizabeth

age 25

came from a family of 7 children,elder brothers,fred,james and thomas,younger brother joseph,sisters emma and susanah

reported missing 28-6-16

gnr harry chadwick

89136

RFA

age 20

enlisted oct 1914

north st,bury

apprentice hatter

pte thomas horrocks

12258

10th lancs fus

age 39

enlisted nov 1914

occupation weaver

kay st.bury

son of james and ann horrocks

married to jane

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

pte charle,gordon southern

5097

10th lancs fus

age 22

139 ainsworth rd,elton

worked for messrs j.whitehead,bleachers of elton

assumed killed 7th july

pte george walden

21421

12th northumberland fus

married to elizabeth

age 30

11 union square,bury

referee in bury+ramsbottom district football league

pte thomas,nuttall halstead

48310

public schools batt,20th royal fus

from hurstroyd,greenmount

old boy of bury grammar

wounded and in hospital in cardiff

my notes,i think he later served as a 2/Lt with the manchesters

sgt frank jackson

11584

19th manchesters

mosley ave,bury

old boy of bury grammar

wounded and in hospital at southampton.

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

from my own data base

pte charles greenhalgh

245111

16th manchesters

age 34

born,bury

enlisted,bury

wife annie,elizabeth greenhalgh,452 limefield,bury.

worked in a dyeworks

previously pte 42731 KORL

died whilst a POW

buried hautmont communal cemetary

grave ref IV.B.26

died 13-10-18.

sgt roger smith

6683

16th manchesters

A.coy

originally a L/cpl in B.coy,VIII platoon.

age 26

enlisted sept 1914

killed in action 15-10-16

buried in warlencourt british cemetary,

grave ref VIII.J.49

son of william,henry and annie,sarah smith,70 surrey st,glossop

worked as a clerk in the bury branch of the lancashire+yorkshire bank

old boy of bury grammar

won the MM at maricourt, being a private at the time,gazetted 11-11-16

landed in france 8-11-15

1914-15 star,war+victory medals

bernard

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bernardmcilwaine

pte james bolton

1st lancs fus

age 20

8246

trench mortar section

40 ???garden st,bury

missing since 1st july

pte charles holt

200626

2/5th lancs fus

age 24

20 goodlad st,woodfold,bury

missing since 19th june

pte john,f kay

public schools batt

ps/5148

old boy bury grammar

in hospital warrington

pte george smith

royal fus

bell lane,bury

in hospital at aldershot

thats the lot for now mark

bernard

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harribobs

i see you have details of Hubert Dawson 16th Batt Mancs, i have an obit of him including a picture if you've not already got it

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bernardmcilwaine

hiya mark,i would appreciate any pics of manchesters,ime going to the library again next week,so i will post any info and pics for you,bernard

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