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Hello fellow East Africa Campaign researchers

I am preparing a manuscript on the activities of the Loyal North Lancashires in East Africa 1914 - 1918 & I am trying to name as many Loyals as possible who served in:

2nd Bn Loyal North Lancashire Regiment (in theatre & on recuperation in South Africa)

"Logan's Battery" (No 1 Light then No 6 Field Battery)

The Loyals Machine Gun Companies

259 Machine Gun Company, Machine Gun Corps

The Mounted Infantry Company

Cole's Scouts & other local units

"Zulu Company" (1 EA Div Signals Company)

Ammunition Trains

Lines of Communication duties

Staff duties

The King's African Rifles (on attachment)

Indian Army units in theatre (on attachment)

West African Frontier Force units in theatre (on attachment)

As prisoners in German East Africa

I am using war & personal diaries, museum documents, journal articles, regimental & general histories, London Gazette entries & CWGC lists but I would really appreciate any other information, however brief, or advice from yourselves.

Regards

Harry Fecitt

(ex-1 LOYALS 61-63)

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KONDOA

Harry

Welcome to the rather exclusive club of East African researchers.

I will look through my stuff and extract what I can for you when I get a spare day or two.

Roop

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SteveE

Welcome Harry

Always nice to get a new member researching this 'forgotten' theatre.

I'll do likewise tonight and extract what details I can from the bits and pieces I've got.

Regards

Steve

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Roop

Thanks

I assume you have downloaded "A Hull Sgt's Great War Diary" from the South African Military History Society's journal archives.

As I cannot find much on Logan's Battery I'm going to use extracts from this diary, particularly to describe road conditions in GEA.

Regards

Harry

Harry

Welcome to the rather exclusive club of East African researchers.

I will look through my stuff and extract what I can for you when I get a spare day or two.

Roop

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bushfighter1

Steve

Thanks

Let me know your interests & I'll reciprocate.

Regards

Harry

Welcome Harry

Always nice to get a new member researching this 'forgotten' theatre.

I'll do likewise tonight and extract what details I can from the bits and pieces I've got.

Regards

Steve

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clive_hughes

Harry,

Just a snippett re. a casualty you have probably obtained from other sources:

9679 Private Thomas EVANS, 2nd L.N.Lancs killed at Tanga 4 Nov 1914 (and commemorated there). Born Llandudno, enlisted Preston Lancs, next of kin resident Holyhead, Anglesey.

He's the only E.African casualty of that regt. who has connections with Anglesey- but that's solely due to his SDGW entry. He was ignored as far as Anglesey local memorials, rolls of honour & press coverage go, so perhaps he and/or his next-of-kin wasn't that local a person?

I have also checked the online list of men on Llandudno war memorials (to be found under the Conwy County Council website): there is one Thomas Evans listed on the main town memorial, but since a "Thomas Evans, Pte. R.Welsh Fus." also appears on the memorial in Holy Trinity Parish Church, Llandudno, I wonder whether this LNLancs man has any commemoration in North Wales.

If you discover more about this casualty, I'd be pleased to know, since at least I'll include him in my ongoing roll of those with Anglesey connections who died in the First World War.

Cheers,

LST_164

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Steve

Thanks

Let me know your interests & I'll reciprocate.

Regards

Harry

Harry

The other 'UK' Infantry Battalion involved in the campaign, namely the 25th Battalion Royal Fusiliers (Frontiersmen).

Steve

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Harry

A few names to be going on with.....

Distinguished Conduct Medals (awarded for action at Tanga, 4th November 1914.)

London Gazette #29180, dated 3rd June 1915.

Citations read “For gallant conduct on 4th November, 1914. during the attack at Tanga (East Africa), and for general good work performed under a heavy fire.”

10033 Private A. Allan

10073 Private C. Arnull

7035 Private T. Boyle

8541 Private J. Cunningham

9422 Private M. Lawlor

9732 Private J. Ridgeway

9141 Private T. Smith

9877 L/Corporal W. Taylor

10351 Private R. Woodward

London Gazette #29447, dated 22nd January 1916.

Citation reads “For gallant conduct under heavy fire in rallying parties of men on several occasions during the action at Tanga (East Africa) on 4th November, 1914, and thereby checking the enemy's counter-attack.

8966 L/Corporal W. Wylde

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List #2

Mentions in Dispatches

London Gazette #29648, dated 30th June 1916

Captain C. J. de V. I'Anson (on Staff)

Major R. H. Logan

Major H. A. Robinson

Captain G. P. Atkinson

Captain D. P. J. Collas

Lieut. W. Parker

2nd Lieut. L. M. Kerr

2nd Lieut. O. E. Almond

4868 Regt. Serjt.-Major W. S. Heaton

8221 Serjeant J. Crawley

9311 Private H. J. McNeil

London Gazette #29933, dated 8th February 1917

Major R. E. Berkeley

Major R. H. Logan

10164 Private (A/Sjt.) J. T. Williams

9616 Private G. Bowyer

6736 Serjeant T. Hewitson (Mtd. Inf., E. Afr. Divn.)

There are more but will continue to look tomorrow...

Hope this helps.

Steve

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KONDOA

Harry,

Send email and I shall scan and send some stuff.

Roop

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bushfighter1
Harry,

Just a snippett re. a casualty you have probably obtained from other sources:

9679 Private Thomas EVANS, 2nd L.N.Lancs killed at Tanga 4 Nov 1914 (and commemorated there). Born Llandudno, enlisted Preston Lancs, next of kin resident Holyhead, Anglesey.

He's the only E.African casualty of that regt. who has connections with Anglesey- but that's solely due to his SDGW entry. He was ignored as far as Anglesey local memorials, rolls of honour & press coverage go, so perhaps he and/or his next-of-kin wasn't that local a person?

I have also checked the online list of men on Llandudno war memorials (to be found under the Conwy County Council website): there is one Thomas Evans listed on the main town memorial, but since a "Thomas Evans, Pte. R.Welsh Fus." also appears on the memorial in Holy Trinity Parish Church, Llandudno, I wonder whether this LNLancs man has any commemoration in North Wales.

If you discover more about this casualty, I'd be pleased to know, since at least I'll include him in my ongoing roll of those with Anglesey connections who died in the First World War.

Cheers,

LST_164

Thanks for that.

Thomas Evans doesn't get a mention in the War Diary but if I find out anything further I'll let you know.

Maybe next year I'll visit Tanga - would you like an image of the grave?

Regards Harry

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Harry

A few names to be going on with.....

Distinguished Conduct Medals (awarded for action at Tanga, 4th November 1914.)

London Gazette #29180, dated 3rd June 1915.

Citations read “For gallant conduct on 4th November, 1914. during the attack at Tanga (East Africa), and for general good work performed under a heavy fire.”

10033 Private A. Allan

10073 Private C. Arnull

7035 Private T. Boyle

8541 Private J. Cunningham

9422 Private M. Lawlor

9732 Private J. Ridgeway

9141 Private T. Smith

9877 L/Corporal W. Taylor

10351 Private R. Woodward

London Gazette #29447, dated 22nd January 1916.

Citation reads “For gallant conduct under heavy fire in rallying parties of men on several occasions during the action at Tanga (East Africa) on 4th November, 1914, and thereby checking the enemy's counter-attack.

8966 L/Corporal W. Wylde

Steve

Thanks

It appears that the EA HQ didn't act on all of the CO 2LNL's recommendations or wording & so a general citation was given for the bulk of the lads that the HQ selected.

L/Cpl Wylde was, by the look of it, a late submission & he was recommended by Capt Bunbury 13th Rajputs. His citation follows Capt Bunbury's description of events.

Regards Harry

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List #2

Mentions in Dispatches

London Gazette #29648, dated 30th June 1916

Captain C. J. de V. I'Anson (on Staff)

Major R. H. Logan

Major H. A. Robinson

Captain G. P. Atkinson

Captain D. P. J. Collas

Lieut. W. Parker

2nd Lieut. L. M. Kerr

2nd Lieut. O. E. Almond

4868 Regt. Serjt.-Major W. S. Heaton

8221 Serjeant J. Crawley

9311 Private H. J. McNeil

London Gazette #29933, dated 8th February 1917

Major R. E. Berkeley

Major R. H. Logan

10164 Private (A/Sjt.) J. T. Williams

9616 Private G. Bowyer

6736 Serjeant T. Hewitson (Mtd. Inf., E. Afr. Divn.)

There are more but will continue to look tomorrow...

Hope this helps.

Steve

Steve

Thanks.

Maj Robinson suddenly died whilst on recuperation in South Africa.

Owen Almond, who was RSM at Tanga & was commissioned shortly afterwards, died gallantly in a bayonet fight in the bush in September 1915.

Regards Harry

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Harry

The other 'UK' Infantry Battalion involved in the campaign, namely the 25th Battalion Royal Fusiliers (Frontiersmen).

Steve

Steve

Have you read the diary of R.W. Ball 25RF in the IWM (Con Shelf)?

Regards Harry

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Thanks for that.

Thomas Evans doesn't get a mention in the War Diary but if I find out anything further I'll let you know.

Maybe next year I'll visit Tanga - would you like an image of the grave?

Regards Harry

Thanks very much Harry - yes please, if it's not too much trouble whilst you're there.

LST_164

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Steve

Have you read the diary of R.W. Ball 25RF in the IWM (Con Shelf)?

Regards Harry

I thought you'd got a new one for me Harry ;)

Sadly R. W. Ball wasn't 25th RF but East African Mounted Rifles, as far as I can tell IWM only have 25th RF diaries of R. D. Mountfort, C. Turner and Angus Buchanan in their collections, none of which I've read, unless you count Buchanan's "Three Years of War in East Africa" which was based on his diary. It is my intention to get to the IWM and read/view these sometime in the (not too distant) future.

Steve

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List #3

More MID's

London Gazette #30300, dated 22nd September 1917

Major R. E. Berkeley

London Gazette #30560, dated 7th March 1918

Captain G. P. Atkinson M.C.

93883 Serjeant E. C. Moody (MGC late N. Lan. R.)

8945 Serjeant S. C. Munday (N. Lan. R. seconded to E. Afr. T. C. (Supply)

9295 Regt. Serjt.-Major S. E. Bagley (N. Lan. R. & K. A. R.)

London Gazette #30829, dated 6th August 1918

Captain G. E. Bowden (N. Lan. R. attd. MGC)

Steve

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Spud Trevor

Harry,

I can let you have a picture of Tom Kirkbright's memorial plaque.

Pte 26333, 2nd Bn. Loyal North Lancs.

Remembered on the Nairobi memorial.

Maybe of some use,

Regards,

Spud

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I thought you'd got a new one for me Harry ;)

Sadly R. W. Ball wasn't 25th RF but East African Mounted Rifles, as far as I can tell IWM only have 25th RF diaries of R. D. Mountfort, C. Turner and Angus Buchanan in their collections, none of which I've read, unless you count Buchanan's "Three Years of War in East Africa" which was based on his diary. It is my intention to get to the IWM and read/view these sometime in the (not too distant) future.

Steve

Steve

Sorry about Ball.

Pte Charles Shaw 25RF left papers with the Liddle Collection (Ref: AFE 28) at Leeds University

Regards

Harry

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Harry,

I can let you have a picture of Tom Kirkbright's memorial plaque.

Pte 26333, 2nd Bn. Loyal North Lancs.

Remembered on the Nairobi memorial.

Maybe of some use,

Regards,

Spud

Spud

Thanks - Yes please.

The War Diary for 2 Jan 17 (when the Bn was sailing on the "Saxon" between Zanzibar & Mombassa, having come up from Kilwa) states:

ONE OR DIED "DEBILITY" FOLLOWING MALARIA

Regards

Harry

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List #3

More MID's

London Gazette #30300, dated 22nd September 1917

Major R. E. Berkeley

London Gazette #30560, dated 7th March 1918

Captain G. P. Atkinson M.C.

93883 Serjeant E. C. Moody (MGC late N. Lan. R.)

8945 Serjeant S. C. Munday (N. Lan. R. seconded to E. Afr. T. C. (Supply)

9295 Regt. Serjt.-Major S. E. Bagley (N. Lan. R. & K. A. R.)

London Gazette #30829, dated 6th August 1918

Captain G. E. Bowden (N. Lan. R. attd. MGC)

Steve

Steve

Thanks again.

RESEARCHING MC & DSO CITATIONS.

Are there any reference books on the market with consolidated lists of recipients & citations?

My attempts on the LG search machine never get where I want, but often lead me down other interesting avenues.

Regards

Harry

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Sorry about Ball.

Pte Charles Shaw 25RF left papers with the Liddle Collection (Ref: AFE 28) at Leeds University

Regards

Harry

Harry

No problem and thanks for the heads up for Shaw's papers, I am aware of their existance in the Liddle Collection but it's a long old journey for one set of documents, will have to check them out when I'm up that way sometime.

Steve

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RESEARCHING MC & DSO CITATIONS.

Are there any reference books on the market with consolidated lists of recipients & citations?

My attempts on the LG search machine never get where I want, but often lead me down other interesting avenues.

Not that I'm aware of although somebody on the forum might know otherwise. I've got a few East African Gallantry award entries from the London Gazette, I'll trawl through them next to see if there's anything there.

Steve

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I've got a few East African Gallantry award entries from the London Gazette, I'll trawl through them next to see if there's anything there.

Harry

Finally had a look through my bits and pieces and apart from the original list of DCM winners I posted I can't see any others.

Steve

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